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Keeping bezeled cabachons in place?

Hello all,

I've been working on lots of bead embroidery lately. I just LOVE doing it and then I marvel over the finished work! I haven't dabbled in my own designs as yet..... I'm working with numerous bead embroidery kits that I purchased from Beads East.

Currently, I'm working on a Sherry Serafini cuff project that has 3 cabs. There is a large one in the center of the cuff and 2 smaller ones on either side. The cab bezels are all done and I've been stitching away on the remainder of the cuff, however; several times, the smaller cabs popped right out of their bezels (and I'm a stickler about thread tension)! I've used E6000 as well as double-face tape and did manage to return the cabs to their proper place. The last time a cab came out, I roughed up the back of it a little w/some fine grit sandpaper, hoping that would help it stay in place.

So, I was just wondering if any of you embroiderers have dealt w/this dilemma, and if so, how did you overcome it?

Thanks in advance for your replies!

~ Carol

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Permalink Reply by Jennifer VanBenschoten on March 18, 2011 at 2:06am

Hi, Carol! What kind of bezels did you stitch around the cabochons? Did you use peyote stitch? Did the bezel come up far enough over the edges of the cab? I always finish my bezels with a round of size 15 beads to tighten it up a bit.

Permalink Reply by Chrysalis Designs on March 18, 2011 at 5:00am

????? Very interested in what type stitch for your bezel and what sizes of cabachons and what material you are adhering to?

Permalink Reply by Gabriele F on March 18, 2011 at 7:45am

Hi Carol,

What are you stitching on? Lacy's? Or something else? (Don't know if that may have something to do with it and you didn't mention that in your post.)

I've been working on a cuff from Sherry Serafini's class - we used E6000 to hold down the rivoli and 2 flat back rivolis. Sherry said that the E6000 sets in about 24 hours but we can start beading beforehand.She also said that depending on the depth of the cab/stone sometimes you need extra rows when bezeling. (We all had the same size triangular rivoli from her kit.)

The cuff I'm working on has about 50 hours of time on it and I've been rolling it, 'turning' it, bending it, etc. to get all the beads on it and it has been holding up. We all used Lacy's (dyed black) & the E6000, the beading was the base of backstitching next to it and then peyote up with size 11, and then a final row of size 15 beads. I stitch with tension but not so much it 'smushes' the Lacy's, and I use 6# fireline (my choice). So far everything has been holding well.

The only time I had a cab come out of it's bezel was when I used the double-face tape and couldn't get it back into it's bezel. At that time I used a nymo or c-lon thread (instructors choice) I didn't even 'roll' it as much as the one with the E6000 and it was enclosed with sz. 15. Needless to say, I cut out all of those beads for reuse! That cab was on Lacy's also.

My two cents worth.

-gabriele

Permalink Reply by Carol on March 18, 2011 at 11:20am

Gabrielle, You are SO LUCKY that you were able to take a class w/Sherry! I'm so envious!! I think she's coming to northern NJ later this year (a bead shop that is close to NY) and if possible, I am thinking of signing up. (I reside in PA and I'm about 1-1/2 hrs. from NY, but to me.... Sherry is worth it!!!) I did use E6000 on these cabs, and then I added the double-face tape the 1st time the cab popped off. Interestingly.... I learned to bead stitch w/Fireline and the one bead shop where I take many classes uses Fireline exclusively. Since I've purchased all these kits and they come w/thread, I decided to use the thread b/c I like the way they match the beads in embroidery. I agree w/you though... Fireline is an excellent choice, and the only thing I use to create a bead-stiched project. Which cuff of Sherry's did you make? I'd love to see it. The last cuff of Sherry's that I made was her Rockin' Waves. I just LOVE it! I also purchased a couple of kits directly from her that I'm anxious to get to!! Thank you kindly for your response Gabrielle!

Permalink Reply by Carol on March 18, 2011 at 11:11am

Hi there ladies! Thanks very much for the replies! Jennifer ~ I recognize your name b/c I subscribe to your newsletter... love it, and thanks for all your hard work w/it! To answer your questions: I think the non-woven stitching base is something other than Lacy's. Peltex, perhaps? As I mentioned, I purchased this project as an entire kit. I can tell by the texture of the non-woven that it's not Lacy's and I saw somewhere on the Beads East site that they sell Peltex, so I'm guessing that's what it is, though I'm not certain. I used peyote in the round (15/0 beads) to stitch the bezel, as I've done w/just about any cab I've ever bezeled. I did have a thought about this whole issue today as I was driving to work. The instructions in this kit called for the last round of peyote on these cabs to skip a space between stitches, (you skip a space, you sew down into the previous round and then come up into the current round to place the next bead) so I was thinking that perhaps I should just go back and stitch a complete round and that might help w/my dilemma. I like the appearance of the stitched bezel w/the skipped spaces, but perhaps that's the problem. It still concerns me though (for now and the future), that the cabs just popped off of the non-woven so easily. I've never had that happen before. Thanks again for your replies and any additional suggestions you may be able to provide! Best to you, Carol

Permalink Reply by Gail Devoid on March 20, 2011 at 2:20am

I've never had a cabochon pop out, and I use E6000, not the double stick tape. I let it dry a day before I start on the piece. I know you can start earlier, but I like to have the glued in piece really secure, and really, I have so many things to work on, it's easy to be patient and wait the extra day.

Permalink Reply by Carol on March 20, 2011 at 11:25am

Thanks for your reply Gail!

Permalink Reply by Floy Height on May 25, 2011 at 1:02pm

I have noticed that the thread eventually stretches a bit on the bezels of older works. I use Ultrasuede as backing, sewing to one layer and gluing to another when the embroidery is finished and edging with more beads. My favorite trick is not only to decrease stitches around the top of the bezel, but down-sizing to a smaller bead to finish. Fireline is my preferred thread after trying everything else. It's strong forever, doesn't tangle much and holds knots well.

Permalink Reply by Carol on May 28, 2011 at 11:19am

Thanks for your reply Floy! :)

Permalink Reply by Melanie Harding on November 5, 2012 at 12:23am

I learnt from a Sherry Serafini book and I must say I found it excellent. I tend to just use the techniques though and do my own designs. However, I have just purchased another book by Jamie Cloud Eakin called Dimensional Bead Embroidery and it has several other ways of attaching a cabochon other than by peyote stitch. I've tried a couple of them out and I've been pretty impressed by the result. One of them is by back stitching with larger beads and then back stitching within them to hold the cabochon. The instructions are better in the book. There are also a range of different techniques such as making a twisted bezel, stack bezel and a flower bezel which add to the decorative side. I've tried the stack and backstitch and can't wait to try the other two. Highly recommended. I find that these techniques seem to give a smoother and more stable result.

I have used the peyote bezels before though and one thing I did finally work out was that it is better to use one bead less than one to many around the cabochon. When I did my beaded butterfly I found I had the same problem on one of the sapphires but not the others. I worked out it is better to have to do odd count peyote stitch than to have one too many beads in order to keep it even. The stones seem to lock in place easier. Hope that helps.